Michael Gaißmair - Winter training in Finland

[Ewald Koch]

Hello Kameraden!

Michael Gaißmair (http://www.gaissmair.net) will have winter training weekend 27.2.-1.3.2009.

In theory program should include winter training and survival techniques in Finnish forest. If interested, do contact me or Franz Repper, as this is not a public/open happening.

Happy New Year

[Hans Gowert]

cannot wait

winter clothing ready, just need the boots now

[Franz repper]

OK Gents this is the kit list thank to the 5 Forum members who said that they are comming over
KIT LIST MUST HAVE
Wool uniform (Heer,SS,Luft)
Long johns Yep you will need the at -25c
Good Winter parka and trousers
M43 cap
Belt
Gloves
Scarf or toque or both
Boots with the boots felt type ,Low boots * Modern boots are ok **
Sleeping bag
We will not let you out in the field with out any of the above as Frostbite is a real danger !!
Field Kit
Bread bag
Mess kit
water bottle +cup
Ammo pouches
Zelt
and a back back Wartime looking

*Low boots try to get 3 (Three) pairs of socks on thick wool ones
** Modern boots are ok if the look correct for the time

[Franz repper]

Thanks to Dave I will post this here just to remind you of the danger of hypothermia
Normal body temperature in humans is 36.8°C (98.2°F). Hypothermia can be divided in three stages of severity.

* Stage 1

Body temperature drops by 1-2°C (1.8-3.6°F) below normal temperature (35-37°C or 95-98.6°F). Mild to strong shivering occurs. The victim is unable to perform complex tasks with the hands; the hands become numb. Blood vessels in the outer extremities constrict, lessening heat loss to the outside air. Breathing becomes quick and shallow. Goose bumps form, raising body hair on end in an attempt to create an insulating layer of air around the body (which is of limited use in humans due to lack of sufficient hair, but useful in other species). Often, a person will experience a warm sensation, as if they have recovered, but they are in fact heading into Stage 2. Another test to see if the person is entering stage 2 is if they are unable to touch their thumb with their little finger; this is the first stage of muscles not working.

* Stage 2

Body temperature drops by 2-4°C (3.8-7.6°F). Shivering becomes more violent. Muscle mis-coordination becomes apparent. Movements are slow and labored, accompanied by a stumbling pace and mild confusion, although the victim may appear alert. Surface blood vessels contract further as the body focuses its remaining resources on keeping the vital organs warm. The victim becomes pale. Lips, ears, fingers and toes may become blue.

* Stage 3

Body temperature drops below approximately 32 °C (89.6 °F). Shivering usually stops. Difficulty speaking, sluggish thinking, and amnesia start to appear; inability to use hands and stumbling is also usually present. Cellular metabolic processes shut down. Below 30 °C (86.0 °F), the exposed skin becomes blue and puffy, muscle coordination becomes very poor, walking becomes almost impossible, and the victim exhibits incoherent/irrational behavior including terminal burrowing or even a stupor. Pulse and respiration rates decrease significantly, but fast heart rates (ventricular tachycardia, atrial fibrillation) can occur. Major organs fail. Clinical death occurs. Because of decreased cellular activity in stage 3 hypothermia, the body will actually take longer to undergo brain death.

LEARN IT MAY SAVE YOURS OR ANOTHERS LIFE we are playing at war but the danger of Hypothermia and Frostbite are REAL

[Hans Gowert]

it is not recommended to wear boots with metal studs in such conditions

just need to pick up a pair of felt boots and parka trousers and i am all set

[andy85th]

Can you book me on this training weekend, and i WILL NOT MISS the plane this time. Andy Francis,85th Gebirgs. What would the best flights be .

[Ewald Koch]

it is not recommended to wear boots with metal studs in such conditions

No it most definitely is not If someone knows this it's Franz!

[Hans Gowert]

andy,

send us a PM with your number, ill give you a call and tell ya your best options/

Tom

[Ewald Koch]

Accomodation:

Accomodation will be in a Finnish army type tent (equipped with stove) for the enlisted men, HQ people will be sleeping in a log cabin. This cabin can be used to accomodate frozen soldiers as well. We will try to organize tent beds or something but I do recommend getting a proper field mattress with you as well.

[Hans Gowert]

suddenly hans gowert gets a field promotion to captain :p

ill bring over a normal brit army cot if i have enough weight left for my luggage if not ill make one from the pine

[mario33]

suddenly hans gowert gets a field promotion to captain

Seems they promote ppl easily for nuthin those falschirm... and they call 'emselves elite

I wouldnt divide ppl by their (false anyway) rank... but its up to you guys

[Hans Gowert]

suddenly hans gowert gets a field promotion to captain

Seems they promote ppl easily for nuthin those falschirm... and they call 'emselves elite

I wouldnt divide ppl by their (false anyway) rank... but its up to you guys

and theres me thinking polish people dont have a sence of humour
think i hang out with the wrong polish community over here HA

Tom

[dagda]

Tom! Im afraid you will be in the frozen meat section with me and Pauli!!

[Hans Gowert]

i aint spooning dagda, no matter how much you pay me

[Franz repper]

I wouldnt divide ppl by their (false anyway) rank... but its up to you guys

M No the Speiss is 53 years old and farts to keep warm its safer to have him away from the fire I will be in the tent as will the rest of them