Handschar Division

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Handschar Division
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Re: Handschar Division

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Thanks for the info gents :D
Some of the photo's and info about the Handschar Div etc i got off Google and Wikipedia
among other sites, apparantly it appears they are not as reliable as i first thought???.

Anyway thanks for the info about Stens and MP3008's.

Regards Peiper :wink:

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Re: Handschar Division

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jan wrote:An interesting listing with names and units from Bandenkampfabzeichen holders, most are SS or Polizei some are Kozaken, Heer Jäger or Luftwaffe ground units.

Also to Luftwaffe pilots like this one, (mentioned on page 2)
Ofw. der Luftwaffe Hermann Scharge, received the Bandenkampfabzeichen in Silber on 20.September 1944, for 107 combat days (anti-partisan flights).


http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32772

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This is interesting, anti partisan flights? I'm not saying that anyone's totally wrong or right on this thread, but could there be a chance that the other services mentioned would just be attached?
As far as I'm aware the award was given for hand to hand fighting, not flying unless he got it for dropping troops by parachute and he was rewarded for multiple days of flying over bandit country?
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The badge could be awarded for bravery or special achievements,not necessarily hand to hand combat,thats what the close combat clasp is issued for.You had to be fighting bandits for 20,50 and 150 days respectively.Luftwaffe personel is 30,75 and 150 sorties(a sortie is each time the aircraft leaves the ground in connection with an anti partisan action)Should an aircraft be shot down during the mission,this counts as three sorties.
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Excellent stuff, I really should read more Luftwaffe books :oops:
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First I want to thank you guys for taking interesting in re-enacting Handschar, it's a very obscure subject, unknown to many. I've been researching Handschar, Prinz Eugen and the insurgency in Yugoslavia for over 5 years now. I collected alot of rare pictures on the subject, the link to my gallery is in my signature. If anyone's interested there's also some rare footages on youtube.com.

I found these in a book on camouflage
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Here's more on the Bandenkampfabzeichen
As it says below, the SS felt it was uniquely their badge. Prior to it, Hitler considered the close combat clasp the highest of infantry's decorations. The Banden badge was 2x harder to get compared to it.


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Glad to of been some help kamerad, i was bored so i wrote that thread!! lol lol

Regards Pipes :wink:

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Re: Handschar Division

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Anyone know where to get a quality reopro Feldgrau fez??

cheers

see attached copy of my M42 LB tunic..
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Re: Handschar Division

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Hi Moller :D
Just an observation but you have the wrong Handschar shield on your tunic ??,
the one you have is the Wehrmacht version with inscription, the SS version has
no scroll, (see earlier posts).

Also the SS rune badge is worn on the right pocket usually (going from resourses),
which denotes a Germanic SS member serving with a Foreign Volunteer Unit.

As for fez's, mine was originally from Bodrum/Turkey which i converted but i think
there is a dealer in Italy that sells them, unfortunately his name escapes me for
the moment, good hunting.

Peiper :wink:

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Re: Handschar Division

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Thank you for your feedback.. I got that tunic from a guy in our unit, he got the insignia from Cirrus Lee and it was sewn by Lost Battalions, practically he got the tunic as is from them.... I will get it sorted out..!! As they say in the HR world, any feedback is good feedback!!

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This is the shield you need. (re-edited because image distorted)
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Good hunting Peiper. :wink:
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Re: Handschar Division

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Peiper wrote: Also the SS rune badge is worn on the right pocket usually (going from resourses),
which denotes a Germanic SS member serving with a Foreign Volunteer Unit.
Peiper they are worn on the left lower pocket , on of andy85s unit dos Handschar
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Re: Handschar Division

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Jugend Repper wrote:
Peiper wrote: Also the SS rune badge is worn on the right pocket usually (going from resourses),
which denotes a Germanic SS member serving with a Foreign Volunteer Unit.
Peiper they are worn on the left lower pocket , on of andy85s unit dos Handschar
Thanks Jugend :D
I was refferring to the SS Runic badge not the "bandit" badge (Anti Partisan badge)
which is worn on the left pocket as is the normal case for awards, the Runic badge
was worn on the right pocket due to there not being normally enough room on the right.

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Re: Handschar Division

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Peiper wrote:
Jugend Repper wrote:
Peiper wrote: Also the SS rune badge is worn on the right pocket usually (going from resourses),
which denotes a Germanic SS member serving with a Foreign Volunteer Unit.
Peiper they are worn on the left lower pocket , on of andy85s unit dos Handschar
Thanks Jugend :D
I was refferring to the SS Runic badge not the "bandit" badge (Anti Partisan badge)
which is worn on the left pocket as is the normal case for awards, the Runic badge
was worn on the right pocket due to there not being normally enough room on the right.

Cheers Pipes
Pipes sorry to say the ss runes do go on the left
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And there are other photos out there , I think that there is a Photo withSS- Obergruppenführer Artur Phleps with them on the right but in that phot he has a shit load of bling on :shock:
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