Dot '44, SM Wholesale/ Ant-Z. A comparison.

[Stigroadie]

Here are a few photos that show the Dot '44 from SM Wholesale and that from Ant-z/pirschen.
The two suits side by side Ant-Z on left, SMW on right.

Collars ans internal colour

hip pocket details

First aid pocket

Pocket liner

Internals of tunic

SMW trousers

Ant-Z trousers

Leg tie details


A pair of chinese dot pants for camo colour comparison[maker unknown]


Links to other photos;
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... 1007AB.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... 1007AC.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... 1007AD.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... 1007AF.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... 1007AG.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... 1007AH.jpg

SMW tunic

Ant-Z Tunic


tunic pocket details (SMW tunis will be the first link)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... 1007AK.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... 1007AP.jpg

Shoulder details
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... 1007AM.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... 1007AQ.jpg

Tunic rear
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... 1007AN.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... 1007AR.jpg

Update with ATF tunic shots
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=12552&p=116603#p116603

[Eisvogl]

thanks for the work!
whats your own opinion about both?

[Stigroadie]

I think the Ant-Z colours are off. A poor reproduction of the shades used. The cut isnt bad, the cloth a bit soft and 'brushed cotton' like.
I much prefer the SMWholesale but its MUCH more money. I guess it depends what you want. Cheap or accurate.

[dog green 1]

Kind of agree with Stig. I own a pair of the trousers, like the cut and the material, especially in the summer. Colours need a little work but at least theres five of them. Chen did say once he's finished improving his range of field greys this would be the next thing he looks at.

[Stigroadie]

It really only needs the lighter of the too earth/tan tones correcting. As is it's too dark, needs to be more of a sand colour, too earthy at present.
The greens are all good, the dark earth colour is good. Fix the leg ties and the sand colour and you are not far off in terms of the look.
As it stands the cheapo chinese trousers are a better colour than Ant-Z.
The soft cotton will never feel like the rough linen but you cant tell that just by looking at it. The material Chen uses gives a soft, used edge to the camo which looks 'lived in'.
I'm also not sure about some of the construction methods used by Ant-Z. Compare the images of the shoulder. The Pirschen tunic just isnt made right on the right shoulder, it looks crap. left shoulder is fine.

[Sean]

Nice comparison Stig, the other dot has the more 'horizontal' dot as well.

I'm sure one day, someone will print a perfect print at a........... hmm wishful thinking maybe?

[Stigroadie]

Seen the new ATF print?
Any comments on that?

[Erich Johann]

http://atthefront.com/g_uni_44dot.html

[Luger08]

I think that Chen really also has to change the quality of his fabric!

1) Changing the cheaper cotton fabric into the original, but more expansive linen fabric.
2) The rough linen HBT with the original 6mm width of the fabric pattern would be better to get a comparable and closer to the original product.
3) Also the dot 44 pattern looks for me printed too sharp like seen very often on different chinese products. Barry Lyndons stuff is the best example for that.
4) Like Stigroadie wrote before: It really only needs the lighter of the too earth/tan tones correcting. As is it's too dark, needs to be more of a sand colour, too earthy at present.

At the moment I rather would spend more money to a SMW or Zeugmeisterei dot44 suit because their improvement is closer to the original cloths.

But if Chen hopefully will change that points it will be a very good alternative to go for.

[Luger08]

false information.

[Stigroadie]

Is it? Thats interesting.
I've ordered a tunic from ATF but wont be about for a while to check it out when it arrives.

[Luger08]

false information.

[Jack]

I doubt very much the new ATF dot 44 is czech, the "old" czech stuff was very different and the dots not as defined and quite "fluffy" and also the trousers where cut straight leg and not the correct keilhose style.

I think the best one at the moment is the smw print although i do find that he's cut the tunics wrong, they're too long and tight fitting on the shoulders.

[Eisvogl]

It can be, that ATF sell NOW the panther print. I dont know it..
BUT! at his selling pictures it is 100% not the small pattern of the czech made (panther)
Not only the pattern, also the buttons and the print are different. Look self and compare

[Eisvogl]

look here, this are some exempels of the czech produktion.
there is also the small pattern.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... 0462236529