Re: RAISING THE U-778
Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:58 pm
I second that, this is a social forum, can we please not let politcs, past or present interupt our fun, thanks.
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kiler wrote:I have nothing against raising and restoring this U-boat, but let us not call it a monument of anything. It can be an exhibit but not a monument for Gods sake.
Off topic:
Why do you write "British" if you use word "Nazis"? Be consistent and either write "British" and "German" or "Nazis" and Conservative nad Labour Party members.The reality is the Nazis took a leaf straight from the book of British global colonial terrorism because the British were masters of it, and It’s also a fact that Hitler and the Nazis never intended to go to war with Britain in the first place because they admired their cultured heritage and their long colonial history.
I really don`t see a problem when two people discuss their opinions about the interpretation of history, without swearing or personal attacks. I always thought that this is what tolerance and dialogue are about. However, as a guest here I have to accept your rules. To finish I`d just like explain my point of view to Irland-redaktion.Crazy Feldgendarme wrote:Watching this closely if it degenerates into a bun fight its locked and a months ban for ALL participants
Let me explain it to you from my point of view: I always react when I hear that "Nazis did something". That's because I`ve noticed that Western Europeans have problems with calling "German" something bad from World War 2, but on the other hand a term "Polish concentration camp in Auschwitz" is often used without such hesitation, even though Auschwitz camp has as much common with Poland as Guantanamo with Cuba - do you call it Cuban camp/prison?Irland-redaktion wrote:I also believe you’ve misunderstood the points that I was making and it would be wrong for me or anyone to give credit to, Or place the blame on (depending on your persuasion) any British political party for the formation of the British Empire. Unlike the Nazis who obviously were a political party and who were solely responsible for making the decisions and then following through with strong attempts to colonise eastern & western Europe from 1938-45 the same cannot be said for any modern British political party, and I’ve used the word “British” in my previous posts in the context of a broad church of all things/people that originated in Britain.
While Britain cannot claim responsibility for the origins of European colonialism it did out-run and out- do in terms of the amount of land which they colonised everyone else in the world including the Spanish, Dutch & the French who were also hard at work trying to colonise various other parts of the globe in the 1500 & 1600s.
At its peak the British Empire amounted to ¼ quarter of the earths surface and it was English royal monarchs who first made colonialism official policy beginning namely in the reign of Queen Elizabeth 1 in the latter half of the sixtieth century. By the time the Conservative, Labour and Liberal parties were formed the British Empire had already existed to a greater extent for centuries and it was only when Oliver Cromwell and his parliamentarian roundheads defeated Charles 1 and his royalist cavalier army during the English civil war that gave the British parliament and politicians greater sway in law making rather than having policy dictated to them by any king or queen. Having the power changing hands from monarchs to politicians in Britain didn’t diminish whatever empire already existed or elevate the suffering of foreign natives and in some cases foreign natives were much worse off as was in the case of the Irish when following the beheading of Charles 1, Cromwell set himself and his New Model Army on an unmerciful murderous crusade throughout Ireland.
To put all this in shorter terms, I don’t believe the German people of 1938-45 would have showed acts of aggression and colonialism to other European countries or went to war if there hadn’t been a Nazi party to coheres them along, hence the reason for using the world “Nazis” because they are the individuals responsible not the German people, in regards to Britain and the British people it made no difference who held the reigns of power either monarchs or politicians either way colonialism was to be welcomed for hundreds of years and still is.