Original German Canvas Rucksack
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Original German Canvas Rucksack
Lets say that you plan to get an original German canvas rucksack for use in the field. How should you take care of it ?
-Wash it ? Should you ? Could you ? What detergent ?
-Repair possible holes, then what ? Possible treatments of the canvas ?
-Leather parts, if any, leather balm ?
I have many question marks, please give input regarding above questions, not that the rucksack shouldnt be used.
Cheers
-Wash it ? Should you ? Could you ? What detergent ?
-Repair possible holes, then what ? Possible treatments of the canvas ?
-Leather parts, if any, leather balm ?
I have many question marks, please give input regarding above questions, not that the rucksack shouldnt be used.
Cheers
Retired & Armed
Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
This is what I have done with a mid 50's german rucksack:
1) Sew up any holes with waxed cotton thread. If larger holes I would have patched the area, again sewing with waxed cotton thread
2) Multiple applications of leather balm/saddle balm/lederfett until leather nice and supple. Allow to soak in for 24 hours between applications
3) Brush down to remove any surface dirt.
4) Wash? I didn't bother but I suppose you could hand wash with a gentle hand wash detergent .
5) Repeat leather treatment if washed
6) Spray or brush on 'Storm brush on canvas proofer'. This is designed for older canvas tents and will properly waterproof the rucksack
7) Use
1) Sew up any holes with waxed cotton thread. If larger holes I would have patched the area, again sewing with waxed cotton thread
2) Multiple applications of leather balm/saddle balm/lederfett until leather nice and supple. Allow to soak in for 24 hours between applications
3) Brush down to remove any surface dirt.
4) Wash? I didn't bother but I suppose you could hand wash with a gentle hand wash detergent .
5) Repeat leather treatment if washed
6) Spray or brush on 'Storm brush on canvas proofer'. This is designed for older canvas tents and will properly waterproof the rucksack
7) Use
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Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
Alright, thanks for your input.
I found this website http://www.stormwaterproofing.com/appli ... -cure.html
So.. repair first.. gentle wash.. and waterproofing with this ?
I found this website http://www.stormwaterproofing.com/appli ... -cure.html
So.. repair first.. gentle wash.. and waterproofing with this ?
Retired & Armed
Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
I would use this:
http://www.stormwaterproofing.com/appli ... er-1l.html
go for the specific canvas waterproofer rather than something intended for all fabrics.
http://www.stormwaterproofing.com/appli ... er-1l.html
go for the specific canvas waterproofer rather than something intended for all fabrics.
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Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
With my three originals (well two now, recently sold one), i soaked in the bath with some soap flakes
to just get the surface dirt out, i didnt want to use detergent or washing machine obviously because of
causing damage, imho you would use products which would be used in WW2 nothing more, any holes i used
basic cotton thread in natural tan colour, its doubtful they would have fancy nylon/waxed threads in WW2
Then when dried, the leather parts (straps/edging) i used the natural (clear) shoe polish incase any gets on
the material, thats all you can do really, anything more vigourous than that could cause damage or using modern
products it would de-value the item, that goes for restoring any WW2 German item, try and use authentic materials
and products when restoring/repairing, thats my advice
Pipes
to just get the surface dirt out, i didnt want to use detergent or washing machine obviously because of
causing damage, imho you would use products which would be used in WW2 nothing more, any holes i used
basic cotton thread in natural tan colour, its doubtful they would have fancy nylon/waxed threads in WW2
Then when dried, the leather parts (straps/edging) i used the natural (clear) shoe polish incase any gets on
the material, thats all you can do really, anything more vigourous than that could cause damage or using modern
products it would de-value the item, that goes for restoring any WW2 German item, try and use authentic materials
and products when restoring/repairing, thats my advice
Pipes
Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
So who was it that were amongst the pioneers in using synthetic materials as substitutes for scarce natural fibres?Peiper wrote: its doubtful they would have fancy nylon/waxed threads in WW2
German uniform cloth was a mix of wool and?
The linings were made of?
Waxed threads? Been around for centuries, waxed linen thread being a common one, often used to sew leather.
Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
I have fixed the right tan/creme colored cotton thread. I also spoke to my mother ( yes, again - shes quite handy with these sort of things ) and suggested natural soap. Same type of soap they used in the 40s, made from pine oil, i think. Soft hand wash with a little soap.
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Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
Fair comment Stig, i was reffering to them modern waxed nylon threads used for modern tents etcStigroadie wrote:So who was it that were amongst the pioneers in using synthetic materials as substitutes for scarce natural fibres?Peiper wrote: its doubtful they would have fancy nylon/waxed threads in WW2
German uniform cloth was a mix of wool and?
The linings were made of?
Waxed threads? Been around for centuries, waxed linen thread being a common one, often used to sew leather.
Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
Agree Stig.
The waxed cotton thread I use is from a roll bought a while ago from Landser in USA. It's the stuff used to stitch the leather work in the original construction of German field gear like canteen covers, bayonet frogs and ................ rucksacks.
and soap is a ........ detergent!
The waxed cotton thread I use is from a roll bought a while ago from Landser in USA. It's the stuff used to stitch the leather work in the original construction of German field gear like canteen covers, bayonet frogs and ................ rucksacks.
and soap is a ........ detergent!
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Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
Then why not say so?Peiper wrote:i was reffering to them modern waxed nylon threads used for modern tents
Half the spats you get into could be averted if you only typed with clarity.
Do they use such a thing in tent construction? I've seen it for leather work.
Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
That white nylon thread they use in tentage, i assumed Botty was refferring to this, my appologies, now i'llStigroadie wrote:Then why not say so?Peiper wrote:i was reffering to them modern waxed nylon threads used for modern tents
Half the spats you get into could be averted if you only typed with clarity.
Do they use such a thing in tent construction? I've seen it for leather work.
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Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
Well.. in Sweden, soap is called "Såpa". Soap can also mean "Tvål", which is for handsBotty wrote:and soap is a ........ detergent!
Not many use these as detergent ( Tvättmedel ) for washing clothes these days. I was thinking of the first one below.
Såpa ( Soap )
Tvål ( Soap )
Tvättmedel ( Detergent )
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Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
Thanks for claryfing Feldman !!feldman wrote:Well.. in Sweden, soap is called "Såpa". Soap can also mean "Tvål", which is for handsBotty wrote:and soap is a ........ detergent!
Not many use these as detergent ( Tvättmedel ) for washing clothes these days. I was thinking of the first one below.
Re: Original German Canvas Rucksack
As we are all clarifying:
1) Why waxed cotton for the repair rather than normal cotton? It is thicker so will tend to act less as a 'cheese wire' to tear through the canvas you have sewn up, it is stronger and will act to repel water through the hole you have sewn up. I never mentioned waxed nylon and why would you ever wax nylon in making anything? It is naturally water repellent.
2) Note I did say hand wash with a gentle detergent. I assumed that most people would take that instruction to mean NOT to use an automatic washing machine detergent.
3) Dictionary definition of detergent for peiper = 'any cleansing agent, including soap'. I realise Feldman's first language is not English so accept he may have needed clarification.
4) Proof your canvas (just like originals) else you will have very wet stuff in use. Proofing with an appropriate product should not alter the feel or look of the item so would not detract from 'originalness'.
1) Why waxed cotton for the repair rather than normal cotton? It is thicker so will tend to act less as a 'cheese wire' to tear through the canvas you have sewn up, it is stronger and will act to repel water through the hole you have sewn up. I never mentioned waxed nylon and why would you ever wax nylon in making anything? It is naturally water repellent.
2) Note I did say hand wash with a gentle detergent. I assumed that most people would take that instruction to mean NOT to use an automatic washing machine detergent.
3) Dictionary definition of detergent for peiper = 'any cleansing agent, including soap'. I realise Feldman's first language is not English so accept he may have needed clarification.
4) Proof your canvas (just like originals) else you will have very wet stuff in use. Proofing with an appropriate product should not alter the feel or look of the item so would not detract from 'originalness'.
Be a pessimist and never be disappointed.