Another swamp find - I.D needed please!

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Mayakovsky
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Another swamp find - I.D needed please!

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What's this? I know its German, but that's all.

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Looks like the core from a sabot round but might be from the squeeze bore/taper bore weapons?
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Interesting! Hang on... I'll see if I can make a less crappy picture of it.

Edit: So... here are some more pics.

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And some other bits and pieces I've dredged up...

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Looks good!

Are you using a big magnet? I knew a guy who found a lot of KM dog tags in NI with this method. I have a good magnet lined up for doing it myself!

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Just my friends Fisher Detector and feeling about in the mud at the moment... but that's a fantastic idea. Thanks! Are the magnets expensive?
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Grüß Di'

I think what you have is the Tungsten squeeze-bore head that was used with the schwere Panzerbüchse 41. The s.Pz.B.41 was an effective weapon when it was approved for service in November of 1940. But after 1941, the weapon lost it's effectiveness against most armor of the time. The bigger issue for the gun was the special tungsten core ammunition. With shortages of this material, it was hard to keep the s.Pz.B.41 supplied with ammo. So after 1943, not many of these weapons were in service.

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I have an original ammo box for this weapon...as well as a 1/6th scale version of it.

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Mayakovsky wrote:Interesting! Hang on... I'll see if I can make a less crappy picture of it.

Edit: So... here are some more pics.

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Might be an AP round for a 4,5cm Pak 184(r)
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Mayakovsky - can you tell us what the diameter is? Hard to estimate in the pic.

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About 4cm across.
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It rather looks as if Kamerad Cam is correct with the 45mm....
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So, is it live? ;)

Nice find though. Would love to live in an area where you can find war relics.
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I doubt it - the primer would have rotted out years ago - especially after being dunked in battery acid for cleaning. For the bullets I find I 'deactivate' all of them with a kinetic hammer.

Well - here's the story. I'm a member of an official search group here in St Petersburg.

If somebody comes here, I can get people on 'the guest list' if those people don't mind a bit of hard camping out in the wilderness, a bit of graft with a shovel, and understand that it's like fishing - some days you are lucky, some days not.
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I think it may be for the PaK184(r)

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m1steelpot wrote:I think it may be for the PaK184(r)

http://www.inert-ord.net/russ02i/mort_at/index.html

Cam beat you to it several posts back!
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Just one important thing I want to say to everybody - I go on digs as a guest with my friends, who all have official and valid licences to carry out battlefield recovery from the Interior Ministry of the Russian Federation, and indeed I am in the process of aquiring my own licence.

When human remains are inevitably recovered they, (both German and Soviet soldiers) are re-intered in a proper and dignified ceremony with religious and military representatives present.

'black' diggers - those who dig without licence, and do so purely for profit, with no thought to the people who they find, are considered total pond-life by us.
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