so we are all going for 351's then, I'll get one sorted int eh next month unless someone comes up on here saying NOOOOOOO.

I like this agreement stuff, it could catch on...

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Do you use the clansmans on intercom and/or local setting? I mean if your fitting 352's you'd have to use the TUAAM to talk outside of the vehicle right? And did you look into what licensing laws there are in regards to this?

Tom.

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Firstly i believe this to be a bloody good idea, however Read this for legislation guys Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006


(1)It is unlawful—
(a)to establish or use a wireless telegraphy station, or
(b)to instal or use wireless telegraphy apparatus,
except under and in accordance with a licence (a “wireless telegraphy licence”) granted under this section by OFCOM.(2)Subsection (1) does not apply to—
(a)the use of a television receiver (within the meaning of Part 4 of the Communications Act 2003) for receiving a television programme; or
(b)the installation of a television receiver for use solely for that purpose.
(3)OFCOM may by regulations exempt from subsection (1) the establishment, installation or use of wireless telegraphy stations or wireless telegraphy apparatus of such classes or descriptions as may be specified in the regulations, either absolutely or subject to such terms, provisions and limitations as may be so specified.
(4)If OFCOM are satisfied that the condition in subsection (5) is satisfied as respects the use of stations or apparatus of a particular description, they must make regulations under subsection (3) exempting the establishment, installation and use of a station or apparatus of that description from subsection (1).
(5)The condition is that the use of stations or apparatus of that description is not likely to involve undue interference with wireless telegraphy.


35Unauthorised use etc of wireless telegraphy station or apparatus(1)A person commits an offence if he contravenes section 8.
(2)A person who commits an offence under this section consisting in the establishment or use of a wireless telegraphy station, or the installation or use of wireless telegraphy apparatus, for the purpose of making a broadcast is liable—
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or to both;
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to a fine or to both.
(3)In the application of subsection (2) to Scotland or Northern Ireland the reference to 12 months is to be read as a reference to six months.
(4)A person who commits an offence under this section consisting in the installation or use of receiving apparatus is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
(5)A person who commits an offence under this section other than one falling within subsection (2) or (4) is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or to both.
(6)In the application of subsection (5) to Scotland or Northern Ireland the reference to 51 weeks is to be read as a reference to six months.
(7)In this section “broadcast” has the same meaning as in Part 5.

In other words if you aint got a license for the frequency you are using IF you get caught you is inna da crap

As i understand it the 351 operates on 30mhz to 76 mhz much of this is dedicated to the armed forces including aircraft and there control stations other uses in this part of the spectrum include radio control models, NASA space tp earth comms, cordless telephones, hospital paging speech. low power alarms for the elderly and infirm, marine databouy telemetry, vehicle and long range security alarms boadcasting links hospital paging, low power devices eg baby monitors amateur radio bands radio microphones, and out side boadcast.

Lastly during the olympics we will see the biggest security operation in this country of all time and i would suspect that any suspicious transmissions especially ones containing military like traffic will be investigated very quickly.
i would suggest checking with OFCOM only they can give you the definative answer on what is legal or not.

Reference Ham radio bands, yes the licence is free but the course you have to pass is not and no course passed = no licence = illegal use = potential gaol ) i am by the way a full amateur licence holder)

Maybe Dave (Feldjaeger can help here as well) because this is only how i interpret the law.

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maybe someone can reenact a tv detector van?

***** crying with laughter at KK!*****
Brilliant! Trouble is - where the fluke could we find a jobsworth in this hobby who would play the inspector?

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I see that you are a licence holder, so can civvie radios work on the encrypted military frequencies? i would have thought not add to that the amount of frequencies to choose from i dont see how anyone would know? add to that correct call signs and voice procedure and how would anyone know its not the military???? 351s only have a short range 10 km on a very good day (more like 3km), the only people that use clansmans now are the army cadets (they have used my gear before!)

It probably would need a licence but im sure i remember at the W&P show they have an event licence that covers the event due to radio war and peace and the use of radios on there event for demo purposes i had a conversation the other year with the H&S bloke?

Temporary licenses are very easy to get, I have them all the time for use with guitars, vocals and basses etc
They work a bit like an FAC, they have to have very good reasons to refuse you one.
They might try, as the systems you wish to use operate on what may be restricted frequencies. You have to cite your intended frequencies on the application.
Not much help but thats my experience of working with the licensing.

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mmmmmm ... all good points raised chaps !

so where do we go from here ? ...... do we all apply for a temp ticket on an agreed freq , or do we .... aaahem ! ...carry on as is !

I think I know what most would prefer . . . .

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KK, Civie radios will still transmit and receive on military frequencies at the same time as the newer encrypted military radios, so far as i know they will both be able to here each other but because of the encryptation they will not be able to understand each other, thats not the problem its the interference caused to offical military transmissions that is the problem.
I agree the 351 is only short range and should not be a problem as long as you pick your frequency(s) very carefully so as not to interfer with hospital/doctors paging units or old peoples emergency alarm systems.

Here is some info on frequencies to think about avoiding.
31.0875 mhz to 31.7875 (cordless telephones and hospital pagers)

34.9250 mhz to 35.2500 mhz (low power alarms for the elderly and radio control)

36.6100 mhz to 37.1900 (cordless domestic equipment and marine databouy telemetry)

40. 6650 mhz to 41.0000 mhz (radio control)

47. 309375 mhz to 47.54375 mhz (vehicle and long range security alarms and cordless telephones)

47.5500 mhz to 50.000 mhz (Hospital paging and outside broacasting sound links)

50.000 mhz to 52.000 mhz (Amateur 6 mtr band)

52.000 mhz to 52.9500 mhz (outside broadcasting links)

70.000 mhz to 70.5000 mhz (4 mtr Amateur band)

70.5000 mhz to 72.8000 mhz (fire brigade frequencies)

74.8000 mhz to 75.3000 mhz (civil aviation runway markers and broadcasting)

So as i see it there is only two options in this part of the spectrum either use military frequencies and chance being heard and caught (given the low power and range of the sets i would have thought unlikely but with the olympics on who knows what or who could be monitoring these frequencis or go for a small part of the spectrum which is dedicated to Public mobile radio this is 68.22500 mhz to 69.99375 mhz but remember this is a licenceable band (as i recall £75 for 5 years) from OFCOM. The licence covers any number of sets
Its up to you guys, but remember IF you do get caught using an unlicenced set(s) the authorities can confiscate ANY illegally used equipment and you chance a heavy fine and possible gaol.

Just needs some thought as to what frequenies you use.

Regarding the War and Peace licence im afraid that will only cover the frequency it is broadcastjng on however the site should have a PMR licence for the security and officials portable radio use, if this is the case why not check with them and use the PMR band i have mentioned (68.22500 mhz to 69.99375 mhz) that would i think make it legal so long as the site is aware and given permission.

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I dont see it being a problem, clansman are not powerful and even with the Olympics and all the other stuff you mention unless there is some kind of event near beltring (there's not i live here) in fact i live 2 miles from the hop farm and the radios will not work from here to there due to the amount of trees etc that screen the transmission, the frequencies will not stay the same every day as atmospheric things affect them so the may need to change daily.

The only other thing we could do is use some batco books? i have enough for the sbg, we have enough military radio operators to work with it and unless you have the key settings "they" would not know what was going on as everything is just letters and numbers (a bit like the enigma process just with books) lol

I agree it shouldnt be a problem and im certainly not against it, in fact i think its something which should have been looked at much earlier. The question was asked about legislation and licencing by Tom and hopefully i have answered that question. Batco would be a good idea so long as it doesnt slow the radio process down far enough to negate the safety aspects of using the radios.

Have fun, with this extremly usefull idea it should make things a lot safer for everyone.

Dave

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Radio frequency propogation is a very complicated thing, i have worked the USA on FM 29.600 mhz on 1 watt at sunspot maximum and the same on 50 mhz on 5 watts with just a simple mobile antenna on a mag mount on top of the central heating radiator, equally i regually work 60 miles on 145 mhz on the same power. If there is a tropspheric lift i can reach as far as Poland on the same frequency.

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am sure crazy feldgendarme has a uniform for that somewere

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here's the man we need

Hi all, just a few lines on radio choice, Clansmans are good, and can also be modded easily onto ham bands, we also share a secondary allocation with the military on some bands, if you want a " Ham license " its off to the Tec for about 6 months of night school, and then sit the City and Guilds,apply for your license, get your call sign, and away you go ! the DTI are running around like mad assess, shutting down and confiscating illegal pirate radio stations daily, so why bother when we could just go and buy a tank, ship or aeroplane radio (Plenty of eastern block stuff around)... and just use it ? let's not give a sh*t if its smack bang on the Tower freq of Birmingham airport approach, or ILS runway beacons ? DTI inspectors can use a big stick if they so wish... and seize all your electrical goods, and also your motor if they see fit, and they also might just be re-enactors or show visitors ...Rich G1VPE "A class" license holder

Ps there is a system out there for you to use its called PMR radio and its type approved, easy to use cheap as "chips" and licence free, and also very easy to integrate into kit ! need more ERP power? use a CB radio...

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