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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:42 am 
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Let's start a helmet timeline as a guide for all who want to restore a helmet!
If everyone contributes their knowledge this might turn into something useful! :wink:
I'll start off with Heer: (would be best to keep all branches separate to avoid confusion, keep the others to another thread please)

Pre-war: (35-38)

Models used:

M16
M18
M35

Paint used:

Erbsengrün (mostly seen on M16/18's and other trannies)
Apfelgrün (6003?) normally on M35's

Both decals worn
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1939:
Same as above
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1940:

Added the M40 model

First use of ral 6006 Feldgrün paint as a standard (correct?)

Removal of National tricolored shield ordered early 1940,
M40's mostly came from the factory with a single decal
M35's seen in their original paint scheme at least until after the may 1940 campaign
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1941

Many single decal M40's produced and used, many M35's painted over in "m40" scheme

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1942

Introduced the M42 model

Ral 6006 used

Single Decal on the early production

August 10th: Introduction of the Issue helmtarnnetz (helmet net)



Camouflage helmet colours:
Dunkelgelb: RAL 7028
Olivgrün: RAL 6003
Rotbraun: RAL 8017
All you need for a "normandy camo" helmet.

Hope this starts off.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:10 pm 
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Ok, according to Hirschmann ral 6003 might be a good one for Apfelgrun. Let's give it a try.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:10 pm 
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Sheikh Al Stranghi wrote:
Ok, according to Hirschmann ral 6003 might be a good one for Apfelgrun. Let's give it a try.

excellent thanks for the information , it has been cut and stored for future reference :D


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:05 pm 
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A nice resource. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:04 pm 
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Zeugmeister wrote:
RAL 1001 & 1002 was never used ! Mostley, this two colours are offered as RAL 7028 (Zeltplane and others) but this is totally wrong !

Correct "Africa" colours were, RAL 8000, RAL 8020 (Luftwaffe), RAL 7008, RAL 7027, RAL 7028

Deleted after 1945 from the RAL register is (The most important :( ),

RAL 8020 (Luftwaffe)
RAL 7027
RAL 7028

Exact reproduction of these colors are rare! In Germany there are only a few companys who are able to produce these colors according to the original recipe.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:59 pm 
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If anyone else has data they'd like to share, please post and it will be added to the top post.

Cheers


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:14 am 
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Source Ken Niewiarowicz's "Germany's Combat Helmets - 1933 - 1945: A Modern Study"


Here a list of who made what:
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Light''apple'' colors:
ET 1935-1940
SE 1935-1940
NS 1936
Q 1936
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Dark fieldgray colors
ET (police) 1940
NS 1937-1939
Q 1937-1940
EF (all)

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Last edited by Sheikh Al Stranghi on Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:14 am, edited 2 times in total.
merged topic: thanks for the list.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:19 pm 
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i believe this whole apfelgrun thing is shite, the actual colour is to dark . It is more pea green


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:19 pm 
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Hans Gowert wrote:
i believe this whole apfelgrun thing is shite, the actual colour is to dark . It is more pea green


refer you to a seller who has this paint?..

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:53 pm 
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well,

kommiss 'apple green' is extremely dark, grey with a slight green tinge to it. The pre war helmets are a totally different colour compared to komiss green. So are they wrong or is it our interpretation of apple green is wrong ?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:33 pm 
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I know from experience that it is difficult to talk about colors.
But you're right, that color is too dark
from kommiss( for an apple colour..)
I suppose ''pea''and ''apple'' are the same.
''We''(collectors,reenactors) gave that color that name because we can't worn an apple helmet
on a late- war event...
So that why it's a little bit confusing

The germans saw all helmet(heer and ss) colors as fieldgray,incl the pre-war colors...

Next time you could try to take the ral6003 from Frickwork.de
their vision of that color is a lot better.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:15 pm 
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yeah, i am struggling with that site


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:21 am 
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i orded 1kg ral6006 at Ferromil.de

let's see what his version of that color is. :?:

If i have it will do an helmet with it,and place it here... :)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:37 am 
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Here's a couple of pictures showing some helmets, are the first two the colour that's refered to as apple or pea green?

Front to back- original, original, re-paint ral6006 (buffed with wirewool) repaint ral 6006 (unbuffed), Lufty at back.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:41 pm 
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a good comparison. :)

the 2nd helmet(front) has a nice pre-war color....yes look like ''apple''...

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