Aged FJ-Werke Liner 66 shell

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Aged FJ-Werke Liner 66 shell

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Here is an aged FJ-Werke liner made for an original M38 shell for display purposes! I think the quality of the liner and ageing make a very plausable replica:

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This took a lot longer to age than a shell, its a real difficult one to get right!

Constructive comments welcome!

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Nice work as always :D

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Nice job indeed. Do you sell aged chinstraps? I have an original FJ SD helmet (seifergrau paint with early spanner bolts) and the original chinstrap was cut off. I'd like to replace it with something better than a post war version.
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I am sorry but i can see it's shoe polish.
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Mooyman wrote:I am sorry but i can see it's shoe polish.
Well your eyes are amazing as there is no shoe polish used on it at all!!! :P :P :P

Thats the thing sometimes - people see what they think they want to see and make assumptions, but rest assured no shoe polish - thats the amatuers way of doing it! LOL
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mauser98 wrote:Nice job indeed. Do you sell aged chinstraps? I have an original FJ SD helmet (seifergrau paint with early spanner bolts) and the original chinstrap was cut off. I'd like to replace it with something better than a post war version.
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Here is one aged example - they are actually darker (more black), but the flash has whitened it out, PRYM marked popper and everything 100% spot on copy - not cheap though but you want the best for a genuine FJ Helmet!:

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fallschirmjaeger wrote:
Mooyman wrote:I am sorry but i can see it's shoe polish.
Well your eyes are amazing as there is no shoe polish used on it at all!!! :P :P :P

Thats the thing sometimes - people see what they think they want to see and make assumptions, but rest assured no shoe polish - thats the amatuers way of doing it! LOL

Well,my old blue eyes can see it aged by HAND....ok no shoe polish, but i am just no fan of aging liners.
(just my thing)
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Mooyman wrote:
fallschirmjaeger wrote:
Mooyman wrote:I am sorry but i can see it's shoe polish.
Well your eyes are amazing as there is no shoe polish used on it at all!!! :P :P :P

Thats the thing sometimes - people see what they think they want to see and make assumptions, but rest assured no shoe polish - thats the amatuers way of doing it! LOL

Well,my old blue eyes can see it aged by HAND....ok no shoe polish, but i am just no fan of aging liners.
(just my thing)
Fair enough, your opinion is taken on board, what gives it away in your opinion?

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Is it marked so it cannot be sold as 'original'?
Is it made as a replica or as a fake?
If made as a replica it should be marked as such?
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Stigroadie wrote:Is it marked so it cannot be sold as 'original'?
Is it made as a replica or as a fake?
If made as a replica it should be marked as such?
No - customer did not want this.
Its made as a replica.
Customer has the option - in most cases markings could easily be removed or hidden!
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How long before it or its brothers are on e-bay being sold as an original with no easy way for people to spot it.
You should as a responsible artisan include tell tales so the repros can be identified. Failing that they can only be considered fakes.
The quality of your work does you credit but could so easily be used to deceive the unwary. Without a clue to it's nature as a repro/replica you may be on unfirm ground.
You know how good your product is, how hard it would be for all but the most serious of experts to spot?
If someone gets stung and it is traced back to the maker.....due diligence? Did you take care your product could not be used to deceive?
It's tricky.
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Stigroadie wrote:How long before it or its brothers are on e-bay being sold as an original with no easy way for people to spot it.
You should as a responsible artisan include tell tales so the repros can be identified. Failing that they can only be considered fakes.
The quality of your work does you credit but could so easily be used to deceive the unwary. Without a clue to it's nature as a repro/replica you may be on unfirm ground.
You know how good your product is, how hard it would be for all but the most serious of experts to spot?
If someone gets stung and it is traced back to the maker.....due diligence? Did you take care your product could not be used to deceive?
It's tricky.
I've gone through this valid discussion a hundred times on other forums/emails so wont bore people on this forum!

I'm going to paint a little 'R' in yellow underneath the liners going forward!
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is it the resposibility of the artist ...or the seller

its only fraud if the dealer sells it as origional
if i was comisioned to work an item i would not expect to be taken to court for making a copy unless i sold it as origional ww2 era :wink:

this is in fact original ..but modern non ww2 original

can see ya point sean

i would also make a tell tale sign so it cannot be sold as ww2 era...and insist to customer the detail is staying :wink:
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les hearn wrote:is it the resposibility of the artist ...or the seller

its only fraud if the dealer sells it as origional
if i was comisioned to work an item i would not expect to be taken to court for making a copy unless i sold it as origional ww2 era :wink:

this is in fact original ..but modern non ww2 original

can see ya point sean

i would also make a tell tale sign so it cannot be sold as ww2 era...and insist to customer the detail is staying :wink:
Yup sounds all ok to me!
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