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 Post subject: The 'exposers' exposed!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:53 pm 
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After a long and detailed investigation into a recent BBC programme aired on August holiday evening, I will be printing details of three undercover reporters, and their underhanded methods used, over a period of a few days. Please bear with me and I'll be updating this thread as and when I can.

However, in the meantime, I can state that the SBG is still taking legal advice concerning the programme in question and some aspects are still subject to litigation. However, by exposing the reporters and their methods it doesn't impinge on the said litigation, and doesn't break any laws or regulations by doing so, providing it is factual.

Please watch this space......

The first, and main reporter, it seems was this girl:-

She integrated herself into reenactment circles by approaching Katie Spitfire's Homefront group, and also with Das Reich and Afra group's. Going by evidence and information gleaned from said groups it would appear that their subterfuge started approximately between 12 months and 18 months ago.

Reporter 1.

She gave her name as 'Tronja Schmitt' and it would seem that she is a German national. However, further enquiries revealed that her true name is probably Uli Hesse and had a significant part to play in the October films programme.

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In the above photo it seems that by the strange way she is holding her bag, she was quite probably filming and recording eveything going on around her. Worse still was the fact that she was in the wedding car and recording private conversations between Nick and Michaela.

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Reporter 2.

This female called herself 'Jess Francis', and claimed to be the friend and landlady of Tronja. They both stated that they lived in Camden Town, London. However, Tronja must have forgotten that she had already informed other re-enactors that she in fact lived at 10 Martello Street, Hackney E8.

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Further investigations into the Hackney address revealed that it was an old tenement building in the bohemian quarter of Hackney close to London Fields. It is divided into a number of artist's studios and has no living accomodation whatsoever.

http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/resources/OEP/sp ... tello.html

The two female reporters above, we are sure, infiltrated the UK WW2 re-enactment scene in order to wreck and ruin what we all know is a harmless hobby. But, most despicable of all is the fact that they befriended Nick and Michaela and set about ruining and sullying their wedding, on what should have been a happy day full of wonderful memories.

Both of the above females were instrumental in engaging reenactors in the beer tent and starting risque conversations.

This takes me onto Reporter 3.

He is Steve Morris, an ex member of 2 Para.

He ingratiated himself with a number of ex servicemen reenectors and was completely instrumental in starting off racist conversations in the beer tent. He was also instrumental in engaging the 2 Dutchnmen who stated that they were members of Combat 18/Blood & Honour.

However, what isn't widely known is that he was seen with the 2 alleged 'C18' males in and around the beer tent and showground for most of the evening in question. This is where we think the 2 dutchmen were actually BBC stooges. Steve Morris even took the 2 Dutchmen over to the SBG camp fire and attempted to start off racist conversations around the fireside. However, the SBG members present declined to get involved and Morris and his henchmen were asked to leave.

Steve Morris (it is his real name) appeared in the Panorama special later that week in the 'Dangerous Dogs' dog-fighting programme. It is only out of respect for the fact that he is an ex serviceman, and the fact that he was engaged with serious criminals in that particular programme, that a photo hasn't been posted of him in this expose. However, fellow reenactors who have met him, and whom know him, will gladly point him out if he appears at any future shows.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:58 pm 
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good luck kev and all the guys in the group
thanks for the expose

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:shock: Am I right in thinking the first (haven't met her properly I was hiding under a tree) was at renishaw ? gawd I'm fuming on Nick and Michaela's behalf :evil: of all the low underhand dispicable, well words can't explain it atm :evil: .

No doubt nothing I can do other than moan and be alert, but if there is, especially this goes to Nick and Michaela, let me know x


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Well... at least they'll have to find some new folks to infiltrate....

Mind, it's kind of odd that folks should try to provoke such conversations. If folks kept doing that you'd be put immediately on their guard...


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Yup remember her at Renishall, had no trouble told her to **** off, regarding Steve Morris well i reckon the other ex paras on here that are reenactors (a lot) may well have summat to say to him.

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Yup remember her at Renishall, had no trouble told her to **** off, regarding Steve Morris well i reckon the other ex paras on here that are reenactors (a lot) may well have summat to say to him.

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Aye, in that subtle way that most ex Airborne types tend to deal with such things. Oh well, play with fire, you're gonna get burned.

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Members of Blood and Honour and Combat 18??? :lol: :lol: :lol: So they've got membership cards and the like then? :lol: :lol: :lol:
FOOLS!

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Well I would...... :lol:

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The week of the show, I viewed the War & Peace photos when they were uploaded each night, and I can recall those two in particular looking very unconvincing sitting in the back of the Kubel....

I agree the way she's holding that handbag she's recording something.


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Although not being on the Axis scene yet, I am quite appalled by this and the fact that they could seemingly befriend people to further their own personal agendas etc.

Thanks for exposing it/bringing to our attention. And good luck with the legal advice.

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I must put our hands up to being taken in. They visited us and chatted for a while around our campfire at Barkby, before moving off and "socialising" with the other groups there, about a month before Beltring.
I suppose two young ladies expressing an interest in us should have rung some alarm bells, but they obviously chose their perpetrators well.
Mostly, I find it a huge shame that we accepted them so openly, at face value, and without any prejudices only to find later that they had a hidden agenda.
My respect for the human race has just been knocked down a notch. Again.....


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wel;l I met "Tronja" at Beltring - She and "Jess" came down pre show and we actually shared our table and hospitality with them at Dinner over at the Blue Bell. "Tronja" told a pack of lies about her Grandfather being on the Ostfront..... Alluded to him being "SS" and said very little, didn't commit much in the way of information back out to us.

I'll be honest adn say I didn't twig but I did feel uneasy about two "groupies" wanting to get in with us all..... I had looked at them flitting back and forth between groups - In retrospect i can see why she didn't want me to carry her "shopping" but I had no idea.

These two women abused our trust and actually made me a lot more wary of admitting people immediately into what we do.

Not that we have anything at all to hide - Which was apparent by the way we let them in. Some people have no morals whatsoever - These two proved that. I hope they receive some kind of public "outing" on a more official level and find it diffcult to pursue their chosen profession. They are not worthy of decent employment.

"Tronja" registered on here by the way
http://www.panzergrenadier.net/forum/pr ... file&u=651
So if you're reading this Uli - You are a disgrace to the nation that spawned you and the family that raised you. Whilst we respect your forebears and we do NOT idolise Nazis or Naziism..... we are not betrayers. I hope you sleep well at night - I for one love your country more than you do - and your heritage and history. You are a prostitute with no morals - selling yourself to the highest bidder for a few pieces of silver and a brief moment of notoriety. All you have from me is pity.

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hmmm ex moderator head on ... anyway you could keep that profile open and the ip log paul/alex other mods, but so that its "person" cos I won't call them women after what they've done can't edit it ie delete stuff). However if theres any chance for anyone involved about the fact they have infiltrated which is so the wrong word it could be handy as obviously they can't deny their ip was used ;) esp if it links to the company they work for ;)

Just thinking on the lines of those making claims against a certain film company, if its been done on staff time on a staff pc with a staff ip address it could be quite conclusive evidence.

Oh and if the above is possible you may wish to delete this post before the sad acts think they can pip you at the post, I'm assuming the lady of leisure I mean PD btw :lol: is hopefully online more than most and may see this soon?

Personally I'm annoyed as I am the new person (and unfortunately for my sins female :shock: ) and I know there were lots of suspicions about lil ol me :oops: am quite sure some are still suspicious in light of recent events, note I have no probs with that at all and I understand if some people are. BUT I am here to stay (sorry :P) if anyone is interested in asking me anything then I have no problems with it and understand the need for information in light of recent times. I hope I continue to be received within the community, and yes am paranoid :oops:


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Good call - The ip was already logged and traced to - believe it or not a TV production company!!!!!
Also I think her email is available readily - I know she gave people a phone number but presto! it's not being answered at present.....

I've moved the thread to the mods area..... we have the content - it was just chit chat on her introductory thread

You're right though Di - You are sound - we know that from being around you and talking etc. We also know how open you are and we know some of your background - As you know ours. But it puts everyone coming into the hobby now under suspicion. Bad people..... and all the time trying to make us out to be the bad guys (and girls)

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bugger... but i thought we were the bad guys (and gals)...arn't we ?


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