the "observers "response to nazi
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the "observers "response to nazi
following article was placed by jasper gerard in sunday after beltring to which started my pulse racing
""The Wehrmacht make it to Kent
There is a rousing scene in The Gathering Storm where Albert
Finney as Churchill takes in the magnificent view from Chartwell across the
Kentish countryside towards the coast and glowers that if the Nazis invade,
that is where they will strike. Well, for once the Nazi quality of running
on time let them down - it was the Russians apparently - but now they've
made it. For a friend rings to say: 'I'm in a field in Kent watching men
marching past in SS uniforms.'
It is, I should explain, a re-enactment, but it's still a little
unsettling. Once, sturdy yeomen would relive the civil war before giving in
to the effects of too much scrumpy; now they play 'let's invade Poland'. The
Nazi nostalgia movement is booming and for the first time this military
beano near Paddock Wood will allow a Nazi parade, with cheery waves rather
than zieg heils. One maiden marked the occasion by marrying, tripping
between the sort of honour guard that Eva Braun was always denied.
'It's massive,' shouts my sleeper over the roar of a passing
Panzer. 'Like Glastonbury, but with guns. I've just seen a woman with an
umbrella decorated in swastikas.' In case you think for dinner chez Gerard
you will be placed next to a Nazi stormtrooper, my friend was there in a
professional capacity. He enjoys cooking and votes Lib Dem: 'These Nazis are
mostly called Kenneth and have wives in floral dresses chasing after
hubbie's tank shouting, "You've forgotten your Luger, darling."'
A Dutchman was among those flogging 'memorabilia' at the hop
farm. Stock included a trolley marked 'Belsen 1944': underneath was a sign
reading 'fascinating piece', as if this were a Victorian figurine on the
Antiques Road Show.
Couldn't these goose-steppers sublimate their passions and
support Millwall, or join New Labour? Creepy. Brits love costume drama, but
can't they make do with Foyle's War?"""end.
now that made me angry due to personal insult so i complained to their editor with this;;
i would just like to point out that the comment of the title above regarding and i quote
"Nazi parade, with cheery waves rather than zieg heils. One maiden marked the occasion by marrying, tripping between the sort of honour guard that Eva Braun was always denied. "
is firstly wrong due to the parade of german world war two re enactors in period vehicles are in no way a "nazi" organisation.
and thank you for bringing attention "maiden marrying with the term nazi" would you please like to clarify how you came to this conclusion and being a written comment must have proof that this "maiden is a, or deemed connected to the term nazi"
the maiden in question is my fiance and we married at the hop farm in a 1940's re-enactors ceremony with full co-operation of many friends, the hop farm and the kent county council who arranged the marriage ceremony and certificate.
i would like an apology, from the writer and publisher of this article as written proof of a character assault on someone you have no evidence of their beliefs and interest cannot be assumed .
many world war two re-enactors portray accurately the period of 1939-45 and have no connections to any political bias.
i am extremely annoyed over this publication and feel that myself and my wife have been victimised
now the response just shows the observer for who they are, and this has just made the matters worse as i will be speaking to the press complaints comission tomorrow
the response was
I am The Observer's readers' editor – the paper's ombudsman – and have been
passed your complaint about Jaspar Gerard's piece.
I have read your complaint carefully and looked again at Jaspar Gerard's
piece.
I cannot agree that by dressing up in Nazi uniform you are somehow
distancing yourself from the Third Reich. If you had no wish to be
associated with such a vile regime, why on earth did you get married in
that distasteful manner?
You describe yourself as 'victimised'. Do you think the Nazis worried about
victimisation?
In my opinion you deserve all the derision that is heaped upon you.
Yours sincerely,
Stephen Pritchard
Readers' Editor
The Observer
thank you mr pritchard, you will be hearing from us
what do you guys and girls think of their opinion of us
""The Wehrmacht make it to Kent
There is a rousing scene in The Gathering Storm where Albert
Finney as Churchill takes in the magnificent view from Chartwell across the
Kentish countryside towards the coast and glowers that if the Nazis invade,
that is where they will strike. Well, for once the Nazi quality of running
on time let them down - it was the Russians apparently - but now they've
made it. For a friend rings to say: 'I'm in a field in Kent watching men
marching past in SS uniforms.'
It is, I should explain, a re-enactment, but it's still a little
unsettling. Once, sturdy yeomen would relive the civil war before giving in
to the effects of too much scrumpy; now they play 'let's invade Poland'. The
Nazi nostalgia movement is booming and for the first time this military
beano near Paddock Wood will allow a Nazi parade, with cheery waves rather
than zieg heils. One maiden marked the occasion by marrying, tripping
between the sort of honour guard that Eva Braun was always denied.
'It's massive,' shouts my sleeper over the roar of a passing
Panzer. 'Like Glastonbury, but with guns. I've just seen a woman with an
umbrella decorated in swastikas.' In case you think for dinner chez Gerard
you will be placed next to a Nazi stormtrooper, my friend was there in a
professional capacity. He enjoys cooking and votes Lib Dem: 'These Nazis are
mostly called Kenneth and have wives in floral dresses chasing after
hubbie's tank shouting, "You've forgotten your Luger, darling."'
A Dutchman was among those flogging 'memorabilia' at the hop
farm. Stock included a trolley marked 'Belsen 1944': underneath was a sign
reading 'fascinating piece', as if this were a Victorian figurine on the
Antiques Road Show.
Couldn't these goose-steppers sublimate their passions and
support Millwall, or join New Labour? Creepy. Brits love costume drama, but
can't they make do with Foyle's War?"""end.
now that made me angry due to personal insult so i complained to their editor with this;;
i would just like to point out that the comment of the title above regarding and i quote
"Nazi parade, with cheery waves rather than zieg heils. One maiden marked the occasion by marrying, tripping between the sort of honour guard that Eva Braun was always denied. "
is firstly wrong due to the parade of german world war two re enactors in period vehicles are in no way a "nazi" organisation.
and thank you for bringing attention "maiden marrying with the term nazi" would you please like to clarify how you came to this conclusion and being a written comment must have proof that this "maiden is a, or deemed connected to the term nazi"
the maiden in question is my fiance and we married at the hop farm in a 1940's re-enactors ceremony with full co-operation of many friends, the hop farm and the kent county council who arranged the marriage ceremony and certificate.
i would like an apology, from the writer and publisher of this article as written proof of a character assault on someone you have no evidence of their beliefs and interest cannot be assumed .
many world war two re-enactors portray accurately the period of 1939-45 and have no connections to any political bias.
i am extremely annoyed over this publication and feel that myself and my wife have been victimised
now the response just shows the observer for who they are, and this has just made the matters worse as i will be speaking to the press complaints comission tomorrow
the response was
I am The Observer's readers' editor – the paper's ombudsman – and have been
passed your complaint about Jaspar Gerard's piece.
I have read your complaint carefully and looked again at Jaspar Gerard's
piece.
I cannot agree that by dressing up in Nazi uniform you are somehow
distancing yourself from the Third Reich. If you had no wish to be
associated with such a vile regime, why on earth did you get married in
that distasteful manner?
You describe yourself as 'victimised'. Do you think the Nazis worried about
victimisation?
In my opinion you deserve all the derision that is heaped upon you.
Yours sincerely,
Stephen Pritchard
Readers' Editor
The Observer
thank you mr pritchard, you will be hearing from us
what do you guys and girls think of their opinion of us
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This suggests the author was not even there.For a friend rings to say: 'I'm in a field in Kent watching men
marching past in SS uniforms.'
'These Nazis are'It's massive,' shouts my sleeper over the roar of a passing
Panzer. 'Like Glastonbury, but with guns.
Same here sleeper suggests a spy sent by the paper in a deliberate attempt to distance themselves but get a story at the same time.
mostly called Kenneth and have wives in floral dresses chasing after
hubbie's tank shouting, "You've forgotten your Luger, darling."'
It has been said before this can be proved to be an out and out lie complete with sensationalism, i know of no Kenneth particulally one with a wife that wears floral dresses and certainly not one that also owns a Tank (sounds more like the MVT people to me)
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the crotch of the person who screws up your day and may their arms be too short to scratch.
GeFoPo
GeFoPo
Don't get involved in a discussion with their reader's "editor". Refer the matter to the PCC (http://www.pcc.org.uk/) and complain you have been defamed as they have given you an unfounded political label - merely wearing a symbol used to represent an organisation does not make one a member, supporter, follower or believer (just as wearing a red rose as a button hole does not make one a Labour supporter). Unless a paper is liable to be sued for libelous remarks, this is about the level of response you'll get. You're a little man, they are a mighty conglomerate...
However, I can't see where they have breached their code of conduct - you may need to consider civil litigation.
However, I can't see where they have breached their code of conduct - you may need to consider civil litigation.
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Be interested to know if he's wedding back in the day with his ruffled pink shirt and brown flared ensemble means he is indeed John Travolta. Or maybes he got married in Church and pretended to be religious so the would get into the big stone building. Of course I'm making assumptions much as he is above though am sure he wouldn't see it that way (indeed he may not have been able to marry himself until laws changed I don't know)
Hope you make some leeway Nick
Hope you make some leeway Nick
Just have, suppose its just a wait (and not that long a one bh weekend isn't far away) for those there to see if they were captured on camera in the beer tent if is as said and who else has been caught on cam.
Oh and they usually advertise 2 weeks in advance so next monday by my reckoning there will be an advance notice up on the beeb site saying what the bank holiday programme is about http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/programmes/panorama/default.stm
Oh and they usually advertise 2 weeks in advance so next monday by my reckoning there will be an advance notice up on the beeb site saying what the bank holiday programme is about http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/programmes/panorama/default.stm
Interesting logic. So doing New Model Army, wearing an orange sash and shouting about the Pope puts you the the Orange Order, and fighting under a Confederate flag puts you in the KKK.
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what else would you expect from a newspaper there response was very insulting
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This is interesting. It implies that the Observer is not above using the methods of the Nazis, i.e. victimising members of a recognised 'out-group'. Not behaviour I would expect from a left-wing paper.You describe yourself as 'victimised'. Do you think the Nazis worried about victimisation?
I would suggest a civil suit against this rag, I've also bought my last copy so that's probably knocked 25% off the readership.
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