Do we have a defector?

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Do we have a defector?

Post by Hoffman Grink »

Found on a pointy stick forum this very morn ! (well - get in character eh?) Doth seem we have a princely knave among us who feels he should awae tae the borders and tak up wi Bonny Prince Charlie!!!! Who could it be? I feel a haggis supper coming on!
Researching my new character....
by gott mitt uns » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:00 am
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I'm no longer going to be a Teuton, Can anyone help me on where to look for information, on my two ancestors,
I want to know about these two:

Patrick Spens officer of 24 of James II of Scotlands bodyguards.
sent to King Charles VII france in 1450. The guards became The Scots Guards or
Garde Écossaise was an elite Scottish military unit founded in 1418
by the Valois Charles VII of France, to be personal bodyguards to the French monarchy.
They were assimilated into the Maison du Roi and later formed the first Company of the
Garde du Corps du Roi or "Life Guards". In 1450, King James II send a company of 24 noble
Scots under the command of Patrick de Spens, son of his custodian. This company takes the
name of "archiers du corps" or "gardes de la manche". On 31 August 1490, this company,
these of Patry Folcart, Thomas Haliday and a part of the company of Robin Petitloch begin
to be the first company of "archiers of the King's gard" under the command of Guillaume
Stuier (Stuart). At the beginning "la compagnie écossaise des gardes du corps du roi"
included 100 "gardes du corps" (25 bodyguards and 75 "archiers"). Each bodyguard had four
men-at-arms under his command, (a squire, an archer, a craquenier and a servant), one of
them acquired the name of "premier homme d'armes du royaume de France". They were finally
disbanded in 1830 at the abdication of Charles X.

and,

Thomas Spens was bishop of Aberdeen from 1457-1480,
before that was bishop of Galloway (1450-1458)
Lord Privy Seal, a post he held until 1470, Regularly journeyed to France and to England,
and in 1464 he and Alexander Stewart, duke of Albany, a son of James II, were captured
at sea by some English sailors. Edward IV, to whom the bishop had previously revealed an
assassination plot, set him at liberty, and he was partly responsible for the treaty of
peace made about this time between the English king and James III. He also helped to bring
about the meeting between Edward IV and Louis XI of France at Picquigny, and another treaty
of peace between England and Scotland in 1474.

1-Also want to know what Scotlands diplomacy with England was during the WOTR,
2-What the dress of King James II of Scotlands royal guard would have looked like
3-or that of the early Guarde Esossaise of Charles VII.
4-French-England Diplomacy between 1450-1485.
5-Also (not as interested in Thomas so much but...) Scottish bishops outfit circa 1450-80.

I have full access and rights to the family name as son of the current head of the clan. a
And would like to while I cant fight for a while due to lung disease, create a character of
my ancestors for War of the Roses Reenactment, After 10 years of doing this its about time
I got my act together and stopped being so complacent.

If anyone could help me I'd be very grateful, thanks,
Dom Spens. of the Craigsanquar/Lathallian Line.
( I think the guy actually means a Teutonic knight - but it was fun having you all think it was Tom for a minute or two!!!!! tee hee hee as they say in the Dandy!)
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Re: Do we have a defector?

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:lol:

Why is it no one ever has ancestors who were bog-trotters or Yeoman Farmers?
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Mine were, bog trotters that is. 8)
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mine stole sheep and cattle from the English!! :shock:
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Then give them back and be redeemed.
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We did....for a substantial profit :twisted:
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PanzerMart wrote:mine stole sheep and cattle from the English!! :shock:
My ancestors were from Wales isn't it, and we SHAGGED the sheep we stole... :lol:
It's not real... it's called re-enacting!
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On the one side we've got Norman Knights who bred themselves into pesant farmers and labourers...and on t'other we have a group of scots who got board with the dreary-dreary weather and moved south to Sunderland and started up a successful grossers that closed in the 60's. Interesting bunch.
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I know what you mean, Paul - they were always Richard the Lionheart, never Richard the Lionheart's plumber. I'd quite admire his plumber, having to daily go one-to-one with Richard's richards.
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My Maori ancestors were cannibals, finger licking good :lol:
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Hope they enjoyed all those missionarys we sent you :lol:
"I require able bodied men,with good horse and gun.
I wish none but those who desire to be actively engaged".
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Re: Do we have a defector?

Post by Gott Mitt Uns »

:shock:
Thats weird, finding my post from a Different forum on this one?!

Very strange, Yes I was refering to Teutonic Knights, We've been "The Knight Envoy of The Teutonic Order" for the past 10years and just usually refered to as the Teutons.

Your thread seems quite mocking considering you dress as nazis and fire toy guns at each other. odd.

thanks for circulating my thread for me though!

Dom Spens
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[quote="Gott Mitt uns] considering you dress as nazis[/quote]
I don't dress as a Nazi. I dress as a German.
Also some of the guns are very real.
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Post by Hoffman Grink »

Wooo hoo hoo hoo hoo!

I have serious doubts about people who can't separate their real lives from their fantasy ones....

Take your head out of your arse mate - The in joke is - as you would see if you looked - that one of us is called "Gott Mit uns" and your rather overblown and pretentious post fitted the jape.

The childish jibe as you left was typical - and ill informed as usual. Jog on and don't let the door smack your arse on the way out.
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the extra "T" clearly stands for tit :lol:
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