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 Post subject: SS NCO's visor cap
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 4:58 pm 
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Hi,
I have just "inherited" a nice repro EREL SS NCO's white piped visor cap from a friend that didn't want it any more :shock: :lol: ......

Question: As I already have an identical one of these I was thinking of things I could do with it, like modify it from an NCO's cap into a "field-upgraded" officers cap (but I've already got a trikot off's cap, so not really needed), or keep it as an NCO's cap, but change the piping colour, possibly to cavalry/Aufklarungs golden yellow...

If I was to have a go at changing the piping colour, the only realistic option would be to colour the piping in with a pen - have any of you done this? - if so, did it work? Any advice?

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 Post subject: Re: SS NCO's visor cap
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I have not attempted this on a cap and I suspect it would not turn out very well.
An order allowing coloured waffenfarbe on ss caps only lasted a short time until the Reichsfuhrer forbade it,stateing that the traditional piping of the ss is white.
So its ok wether you have a panzer,medical,pioneer uniform etc; to wear a white piped cap.

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 Post subject: Re: SS NCO's visor cap
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Brigardefuhrer wrote:
I have not attempted this on a cap and I suspect it would not turn out very well.
An order allowing coloured waffenfarbe on ss caps only lasted a short time until the Reichsfuhrer forbade it,stateing that the traditional piping of the ss is white.
So its ok wether you have a panzer,medical,pioneer uniform etc; to wear a white piped cap.


Cheers for that, yes I was aware that it was only briefly "official" to have waffenfarbe, but it seems that waffenfarbe piped caps were used unofficially at least on a limited basis(?) throughout the war..

But my main reason for thinking about colouring the piping in was that I already have an identical white piped NCO's visor, and didn't need another one - if I could change the piping colour it would make it different....!!

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 Post subject: Re: SS NCO's visor cap
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:09 am 
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Well the only thing I could recommend is fabric pens,try it on some scrap material to see if you get an even spread of colour and not patchey like I think you would get with felt pens.I have used fabric paint (made by dylon) on shoulder boards.
I hope you have steady hand though and do'nt go over "the lines" onto the field grey :lol: .

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 Post subject: Re: SS NCO's visor cap
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DO YOU KNOW HOW RARE COLOURED PIPEING IS ON CAPS!!!???

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Yeah, it was very uncommon for an officer or NCO to have the piping color on his hat changed if he transferred units. White was the most common, even in specialty units it was rare to see colored piping.

You can pretty much guarantee Oberscharfuhrer Fritz wasn't going to the supply sergeant complaining because after his transfer to the Aufklarungs he didn't recieve a new cap with yellow piping.

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 Post subject: Re: SS NCO's visor cap
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Thanks all for the replies - good idea re the fabric pens.

Like I said before, I know piped SS caps were not the norm (apart from the short period when the order changed between 10th May-5th November 1940), but they still existed, and - as I am up to my eyeballs :lol: in white piped SS Caps - having been given a 5th one (!!!), I thought I may have an experiment with it to come up with something a bit "different"..!! If I only had one cap, I'd have white piped, but as I've got a few to play with, I thought I might go for a change with this one...

I was thinking of Cav golden yellow, as if I did slip a little bit and got it on the field grey part of the cap, it wouldn't show up as much as if I'd gone for artillery red say :lol: :lol: . I'll have a think about it and see.

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 Post subject: Re: SS NCO's visor cap
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Chorlitz|12.SS| wrote:
DO YOU KNOW HOW RARE COLOURED PIPEING IS ON CAPS!!!???


I have a feeling that the chap just might, he's asking about colouring in a repro hat though, settle down.

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John Wilson wrote:
Chorlitz|12.SS| wrote:
DO YOU KNOW HOW RARE COLOURED PIPEING IS ON CAPS!!!???


I have a feeling that the chap just might, he's asking about colouring in a repro hat though, settle down.


LOL.

Mate, I seem to remember someone trying this with shoulder boards. They used a felt tip and it didn't come out very well at all. :?

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 Post subject: Re: SS NCO's visor cap
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John Wilson wrote:
Chorlitz|12.SS| wrote:
DO YOU KNOW HOW RARE COLOURED PIPEING IS ON CAPS!!!???


I have a feeling that the chap just might, he's asking about colouring in a repro hat though, settle down.


Thanks for that John!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The subject of piped SS visors is obviously far more emotive than I had expected.... :shock: :lol: :shock: :lol:

All things considered I will probably put the "Do-It-Yourself piping re-colouring" on the back burner!!!

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 Post subject: Re: SS NCO's visor cap
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Just pointing it out, (Guss i should have taken Caps lock off) but if you have 5 of the damn things go for it....Paint one pink if you like(Well if your into that sort of thing :wink: )

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 Post subject: Re: SS NCO's visor cap
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Chorlitz|12.SS| wrote:
Just pointing it out, (Guss i should have taken Caps lock off) but if you have 5 of the damn things go for it....Paint one pink if you like(Well if your into that sort of thing :wink: )


Cheers Chorlitz !

Pink - hmmmmm - it would be like the ultimate panzer waffenfarbe'd cap...!!! Lt Gruber from 'Allo 'Allo would love it :lol: :lol: :lol:

I probably won't go that far though....!


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 Post subject: Re: SS NCO's visor cap
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Paint is purple and go out on the street giving everyone parking tickets!

This may help:



black - construction units – (schwarz) Baueinheiten
black - engineer units – (schwarz) Pioniereinheiten
blue - (cornflower blue) medical service – (kornblumenblau) Sanitätsdienst
blue - (light blue) supply troops – (hellblau) Versorgungstruppen
blue - (bright blue) administration service - (lichtblau) Verwaltungsdienst
brown - (copper brown) reconnaissance units – (kupferbraun) Aufklärungseinheiten
brown - (light brown) concentration camp personnel – (hellbraun) Konzentrationslager-Personal
green - (dark green) officers in the special service - (dunkelgrün) Führer im Sonderdienst
green - (dark green) reserve officers – (dunkelgrün) Führer der Reserve
green - (grass green) mountain troops – (wiesengrün) Gebirgsjäger
green - (toxic green) security service - (giftgrün) Sicherheitsdienst
grey - (dark grey) personal staff of the RFSS – (dunkelgrau) Persönlicher Stab RFSS
grey - (light grey) personal staff of the RFSS – (hellgrau) Persönlicher Stab RFSS
grey - (light grey) officers of generals rank – (hellgrau) Führer im Generalsrang
orange - SS military police – (orangerot) SS-Feldgendarmerie
orange - recruitment service - (orangerot) Ergänzungsdienst
orange - technical officers - (orangerot) Technische Führer
orange - transport technical school - (orangerot) Kraftfahrtechnische Lehranstalt
orange - welfare officers - (orangerot) Fürsorgeführer
pink - (light pink) transport troops – (hellrosa) Kraftfahrtruppen
pink - (light salmon pink) military geologist units – (hell-lachsrosa) Wehrgeologeneinheiten
pink - (rose pink) anti-tank units – (rosa) Panzerjägereinheiten
pink - (rose pink) armoured units – (rosa) Panzereinheiten
red - (Bordeaux red) legal service – (bordeauxrot) Gerichtsdienst
red - (bright red) artillery and Flak units – (hochrot) Artillerie u. Flakeinkeiten
red - (carmine red) veterinary service – (karminrot) Veterinärdienst
red/grey - specialist officers - (rot/grau) Fachführer der Waffen-SS
white - infantry - (weiß) Infanterie
yellow - (golden yellow) cavalry units – (goldgelb) Kavallerie u. Reitereinheiten
yellow - (golden yellow) reconnaissance units – (goldgelb) Aufklärungseinheiten
yellow - (lemon yellow) field post office personnel - (zitronengelb) Feldpostpersonal
yellow - (lemon yellow) signals units – (zitronengelb) Nachrichteneinheiten
yellow - (lemon yellow) war correspondents – (zitronengelb) Kriegsberichter

Waffenfarben - Dienststellen - Colour - Service Branch

blau - (hellblau) Versorgungstruppen - (light blue) supply troops
blau - (kornblumenblau) Sanitätsdienst - (cornflower blue) medical service
blau - (lichtblau) Verwaltungsdienst - (bright blue) administration service
braun - (hellbraun) Konzentrationslager-Personal - (light brown) concentration camp personnel
braun - (kupferbraun) Aufklärungseinheiten - (copper brown) reconnaissance units
gelb - (goldgelb) Aufklärungseinheiten - (golden yellow) reconnaissance units
gelb - (goldgelb) Kavallerie u. Reitereinheiten - (golden yellow) cavalry units
gelb - (zitronengelb) Feldpostpersonal - (lemon yellow) field post office personnel
gelb - (zitronengelb) Kriegsberichter - (lemon yellow) war correspondents
gelb - (zitronengelb) Nachrichteneinheiten - (lemon yellow) signals units
grau - (dunkelgrau) Persönlicher Stab RFSS - (dark grey) personal staff of the RFSS
grau - (hellgrau) Persönlicher Stab RFSS - (light grey) personal staff of the RFSS
grau - (hellgrau) Führer im Generalsrang - (light grey) officers of generals rank
grün - (dunkelgrün) Führer der Reserve - (dark green) reserve officers
grün - (dunkelgrün) Führer im Sonderdienst - (dark green) officers in the special service
grün - (giftgrün) Sicherheitsdienst - (toxic green) security service
grün - (wiesengrün) Gebirgsjäger - (grass green) mountain troops
orangerot - Ergänzungsdienst – (orange) recruitment service
orangerot - Fürsorgeführer – (orange) welfare officers
orangerot - Kraftfahrtechnische Lehranstalt – (orange) transport technical school
orangerot - SS-Feldgendarmerie – (orange) SS military police
orangerot - Technische Führer – (orange) technical officers
rosa - (hell-lachsrosa) Wehrgeologeneinheiten - (light salmon pink) military geologist units
rosa - (hellrosa) Kraftfahrtruppen - (light pink) transport troops
rosa - Panzereinheiten pink - (rose pink) armoured units
rosa - Panzerjägereinheiten - (rose pink) anti-tank units
rot - (bordeauxrot) Gerichtsdienst - (Bordeaux red) legal service
rot - (hochrot) Artillerie u. Flakeinkeiten - (bright red) artillery and Flak units
rot - (karminrot) Veterinärdienst - (carmine red) veterinary service
rot/grau - Fachführer der Waffen-SS – (red/grey) specialist officers
schwarz - Baueinheiten – (black) construction units
schwarz - Pioniereinheiten – (black) engineer units
weiß - Infanterie – (white) infantry

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 Post subject: Re: SS NCO's visor cap
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Oh and remember as they were only allowed colours for a breif period of time in(1940?) some of the colours changed later war.

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 Post subject: Re: SS NCO's visor cap
PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 9:11 am 
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Some piping colours changed after 1943-some what like that.


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