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Two questions about the Heer Feldgendarmerie,

First, what FG units served under the allied command post war? I mean which ones kept performing their police duties after surrendering to the allies?

And where there any units that served on the eastern and western front?

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Two very good books that will help you now end are Chain dogs volumes 1 & 2 by Robert E Witter , they give you lots of info that will be invaluable for your FG impression .

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Gefreiter wrote:Two questions about the Heer Feldgendarmerie,

First, what FG units served under the allied command post war? I mean which ones kept performing their police duties after surrendering to the allies?

And where there any units that served on the eastern and western front?

Thanks!

Boone Myers
Feldjägerkommando III didn't formally surrender it's weapons until 23 June 1946. I have anecdotal references to Feldgendarmerie units still serving in their role until October 1945 in the US and British sectors of Germany.

There were plenty of units that saw service on all fronts - the unit we represent (Feldgend. Trupp 82, part of 2. Panzer division) saw action in such a manner: Poland - September 39 to January 40; West Wall and France - January 40 to September 40; Poland - September 40 to April 41; Balkans - April 41 to September 41; Eastern Front (Centre) - September 41 to February 44; France (Normandy) February - February 44 to December 44; Ardennes and the Rhine - December 44 to May 45 and surrendered in Karlsbad (Karlovy Vary, Czech Republic) at the end of the war.

If you want a unit that served on all fronts, then look at divisional histories. As a general rule of thumb the assigned FG unit stayed with their superior formation - there are notable exceptions to this, however!

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Allright, I plan on ordering those two books, but I can't find Volume I for sale anywhere at all, any ideas?

The reenacting unit that I am with portrays both the 321st and 352d Infanterie Divsions, but I can't find any information about the FG units that would have been assigned to either division.

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352. Infantry Division - Feldgendarmerie Trupp 352 (mot) c
321. Infantry Division - Feldgendarmerie Trupp 321 (mot) c
(can you see a pattern emerging?! :wink: )

KStN (latest I have is Jan 44) for a type c trupp is 1 officer, 25 NCOs, 7 EM, 19 rifles, 10 pistols, 5 machine pistols, 1 light MG, 1 three tonne truck, 4 light field cars, 18 bicycles.

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Dave, your resourcefullness and amount of information amazes me. You are a wealth of knowledge, thank you for taking the time to explain it to me!

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Maybe I'll use this topic too and hopefully get some help from you Feldjäger.

As I have talked to my friends in our unit, we have been thinking about an "side-impression" as Feldgendarmerie, cause many of us has an background of military police in the finnish army.

I am looking for FG information of these two divisions, 163rd and 169th Infantrie-Division, as they both served in Finland. Would the pattern be the same as above, FG trupp 163 / 169 (mot) "C"? I tried to study these trupps from Lexikon der Wehrmacht, and I believe it stated that Infantry divisions would have a trupp "A" with 33 men. Time period would be summer 1941 to summer 1944.

Should the man power and the vehicles go like this?
2 officers , 21 NCO , 10 EM = 33 soldiers
8 motorcycles , 2 Beiwagenkräder(?) , 7 passenger cars, 3 trucks.

And would the armament be same as in a message above?

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An infantry division can have type a, b or c!

For 163ID, the assigned unit from 25APR1940 was Fg Trupp (mot) 234, which was type c. As far as I can ascertain, this remained type c for the duration of it's existence. For the time period you are after (up to the date above), the allocated strength was 1 Officers, 25 NCOs, 7 EM, 19 rifles, 10 Pistolen, 5 Machine Pistols., 3 MGs, 1 medium truck (2 or 3 tonne), 4 light field cars, 18 bicycles.

For 169 ID the assigned unit from 11JAN1940 was Fg Trupp 230 (mot) which was type a. As far as I can ascertain, this remained type a for the duration of it's existence. For the time period you are after, the allocated strength was 2 Officers, 21 NCOs, 10 EM, 17 rifles, 12 Pistols, 6 Machine Pistols., 3 MGs, 1 medium truck (2 or 3 tonne), 7 light field cars, 2 motorcycles with sidecars.

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Many thanks, this was very helpful :)
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Is there a breakdown on stucture for FG Trupp 200 within the 21st Panzer? Interested to see if they rated motorcycles as my friend and I will be utilizing BMW R35s.
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holz21pz wrote:Is there a breakdown on stucture for FG Trupp 200 within the 21st Panzer? Interested to see if they rated motorcycles as my friend and I will be utilizing BMW R35s.
Type c as above.

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Is there a breakdown of each type either here or in print?
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holz21pz wrote:Is there a breakdown of each type either here or in print?
For a type c: 1 Officer, 25 NCOs, 7 EM, 19 rifles, 10 Pistols, 5 Machine Pistols., 3 MGs, 1 medium truck (2 or 3 tonne), 4 light field cars, 18 bicycles.
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Which type rated motorcycles withOUT sidecar?


Also, for anyone looking for Chain Dogs Vol. I, I found it here: http://www.denner.ca/books/Newbookpage/ ... index.html and received it a couple days ago. Much better resource for details on the the impression than Vol 2, which skims over the careers of 3 different FGs during the war. I haven't read Vol I through yet, but I can tell it has many details on what they carried and used.
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a and b mainly. Having said that, Type b went from 12 in March 42 to 4 in November 43. Type a was consistent with 6 and type c was never allocated any.

This is what the KStN shows - what was acquired locally and in the field is a different issue!
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